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    Gentlemen

    22 Division have to date

    121 Regiment -15 Tu-160
    840 Regiment - ? (how many) Tu-95
    184 Regiment - ? (how many) Tu-95
    52 Regiment -? (how many) Tu 22m3


    Author would very pleased for good public information.

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    Author would very pleased for good public information.
    Good public information №1: 840 Regiment is Tu-22M3 :D

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    :lol: ага, щас вам всё и расскажем.. телефон Дробышевского дать? Только он может дать ОФИЦИАЛЬНУЮ информацию..

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    Gentlemen

    Information was public with differrent foto in Germany magazine.
    Possible was before in any Russian official statements ?

    Excuse the author ,if request is not relevant


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    / as example desantura.ru disscused broadly about EQ ,personal &
    or author is false?/

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    You can count bombers independently...
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    840 Regiment - ? (how many) Tu-...
    http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie...40255&t=k&om=1
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    184 Regiment - ? (how many) Tu-95
    http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie...20127&t=k&om=1
    :D

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    this message is the error

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    Dear Sir

    Thank you for image's .If would official article about hours per a.
    for pilot ,please inform the author .

    Author would very pleased for you.

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    /P.S. Suspect that offcial's try to make some Potemkin village
    before election. As example Russia goverment selled out a lot
    of plutonium to USA against Russia militar potencial/

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    чо-то не нравятся мне люди со статусом "гостя", задающие на плохом английском (ошибок слишком много) такие вопросы

    вообще считаю, что обсуждение реального количества и пр. состоящего на вооружении - не тема для открытого обсуждения

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    sss wrote -
    чо-то не нравятся мне люди со статусом "гостя", задающие на плохом английском (ошибок слишком много) такие вопросы

    вообще считаю, что обсуждение реального количества и пр. состоящего на вооружении - не тема для открытого обсуждения

    1. registred as milstar long time before

    2. www.fsb.ru you can complain

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    Это что за такие странные вопросы? Это видимо разведка какой то маленькой, но очень гордой страны в которой только Интернет появился!? Или разведчик-любитель!?
    Есть нам что ответить таким!!!
    Вот в середине года появилась занимательная брошюрка... Обложечка на картинке...Сайт их в интернете тож найдете без проблем... Но вот ссылочка: http://www.warfare.ru/
    Все буржуины знают..Даж фамилии командиров...

    По ТОЧНЫМ данным счет таков:


    Type Total
    A-40 Mermaid / Albatros 1+
    A-50 Mainstay EW 19
    An-12 CUB 126
    AN-124 Condor 11
    AN-2 Colt 30
    AN-22 Cock Strategic Freighter 21
    An-24 COKE/An-26 CURL 125
    An-32 CLINE 50
    An-70 MEDIUM-RANGE MILITARY TRANSPORT AIRCRAFT 1+
    AN-72 Coaler 20
    Be-12 Chaika (Mail) ASW 4
    IL-102 1+
    Il-20 COOT-A 18
    Il-38 May 26
    Il-76/78 MIDAS 231
    KA-27/29/32 Helix* Naval helicopter 88
    KA-50 Hocum/ Werewolf 16
    KA-52 Alligator 9
    KA-60 Kasatka (Killer Wale) 7
    MI-14 Haze 9
    MI-24/35 Hind 260
    MI-26 Halo 25
    MI-28 Havoc 28
    Mi-6 HOOK 5
    MI-8 Hip 195
    MIG-25 Foxbat Interceptor/ reconnaissance aircraft 5
    MIG-29/E Fulcrum Counter-Air Fighter 430
    MIG-31 Foxhound Interceptor 306
    MIG-39/1.42 MFI (plasma stealth) 1+
    S32/37 Golden Eagle 1+
    SU-17 Fitter-C 12
    SU-24 Fencer battlefield bomber/R/EW 489
    SU-25 Frogfoot Close support/ground attack 265
    SU-27 Flanker air superiority fighter 449
    Su-30 Two-seat multirole fighter 9
    SU-34/32FN Long range fighter-bomber 8
    SU-35 all-weather counter-air fighter 11
    SU-37 multirole fighter 1+
    SU-39 Close support/ground attack 10
    Tu-142 Bear-F ASW 26
    TU-160 BlackJack Strategic bomber 21
    TU-22M Backfire 162
    TU-95/MS Bear Strategic bomber 70
    YAK-141 Freestyle V/STOL multirole fighter +

    По их же данным...

    TU-160 BLACKJACK STRATEGIC BOMBER

    121 bbr rgt Engels AF

    22 af div (Engels). 14 Tu-160. 2004: commander: Maj Gen Anatoly Zhikharev. 17.01.2004: flight trainings (11 Tu-160 flights).06.2006 two ac took part in "Shield of Union" joint Russian-Belorussian exercises.

    TU-95/MS BEAR STRATEGIC BOMBER

    79 bbr rgt Ukrainka AF

    326 bbr div (Ukrainka). Tu-95MS
    184 bbr rgt Engels AF

    22 af div (Engels). 22 Tu-95MS. 06.2006 two ac took part in "Shield of Union" joint Russian-Belorussian exercises.
    43 tpt center Ryazan AF

    37 AF Army (Strategic) (Engels). 8 Tu-22M, 6 Tu-95MS
    326 bbr div Ukrainka AF

    37 AF Army (Strategic) (Engels). 42 Tu-95MS- "jump airbases"- Anadyr', Tiksi , Srednyy island , Magadan

    TU-22M BACKFIRE

    568 indep rgt Kamenny Ruchei PAC

    Naval Aviation (). 2 sqdn Tu-22M3, 2 sqdn Tu-142M3, Tu-142MR
    924 indep nav av recce rgt Olenegorsk NOR

    Naval Aviation (). 540 pers., 20 Tu-22M
    33 centr bbr rgt Ostrov (Pskov) NAVY

    Naval Aviation (). 3 Tu-22M3, 4 Su-24M, Tu-142MK, Il-38, Il-18, An-26
    52 bbr rgt Shaikovka AF

    22 af div (Engels). Tu-22M3
    444 bbr rgt Vozdvizhenka AF

    326 bbr div (Ukrainka). Tu-22M3. 6.12.2003: comd trainings incl spetznaz trainings. 2006: to be disbanded
    43 tpt center Ryazan AF

    37 AF Army (Strategic) (Engels). 8 Tu-22M, 6 Tu-95MS
    840 bbr rgt Soltsy (Novgorod) AF

    22 af div (Engels). Tu-22M3. 06.2006 two ac took part in "Shield of Union" joint Russian-Belorussian exercises.
    200 bbr rgt Engels AF

    326 bbr div (Ukrainka). Tu-22M3. 2006: to be disbanded





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    TU-160 BlackJack Strategic bomber

    Active: 21
    Inventory:
    Strategic: Tu-160 "Blackjack", 16, 7 in Engels Airbase in the delta of Volga River and 6 in Zhukovsky Test Flight Center. 1 Tu-160M delivered on June 2006, 1+ finishing constructing on 07.2006
    AF: Tu-160 "Blackjack", 5, test aircraft


    TU-160 21






    [crossreferences: Index of Russian Aircraft | Bombers ]


    Base Location Cmd D/F
    121 bbr rgt Engels 22 af div AF
    14 Tu-160. 2004: commander: Maj Gen Anatoly Zhikharev. 17.01.2004: flight trainings (11 Tu-160 flights).06.2006 two ac took part in "Shield of Union" joint Russian-Belorussian exercises.


    W. (tons): 275
    Combat load weight (tons): 9'000/40'000
    Speed (km/h): 1'100/2'230
    Dimensions (m): 35,6/55,7 x 54,1 x 13,1
    Service seiling (m): 18'000
    Range (km): 10'500/14'600
    M./Engine: 4 DRTD-NK32, 4 x 25'500 kgs
    Fuel weight (kg): 148'000
    Man./Crew: 4
    Concrete runway lenght (m): 3'050
    Armament: 24 AA Kh-15
    12 AS Kh-55 (strategic cruise), aerial bombs (40 tons)
    Electronics: highly computerised systems: intergrated aiming, navigation, flight control systems (navigation and attack radars, electronic countermeasure, and full automatic controls; fly-by-wire controls...
    ________________________________________
    [crossreferences: armament ]
    • AS-16 Kickback SRAM/ Kh-15/C
    • AS-15 Kent ALSM/ SS-N-21 Sampson / Kh-55
    • Air bombs
    • AS-15* / Kh-65
    ________________________________________
    In the beginning of the 70-th years in reply to the American program of creation supersonic strategic bomber A-1A in USSR was conducted competition of the projects multimode strategic bomber with a wing of changed geometry. In 1980 the first copy new bomber, received a title Tu-160 was constructed. In 1981 Tu-160 for the first time was lifted in an air. In 1986 at the Kazan airfactory the assembly serial Tu-160 began. In 1987 the first serial machine has arrived in AF. According to the initial plans, it was supposed to manufacture a series from 100 Tu-160, however now on financial reasons the order have reduced up to 40 machines. Tu-160 - largest from all before created as in USSR, and abroad bombers. The plane is executed under the integrated scheme with smooth interface of a wing and fuselage. The wing of changed geometry ensures flight on various structures, saving high performances both on supersonic, and on a subsonic velocity. Bomber has all-moving vertical and horizontal installations, that in a combination to integrated arrangement and low disposition of crew considerably reduces EPR. A feature of a construction of a glider is the titanum

    beam representing total kesson with points of a turn of consoles of a wing. To a beam which is taking place through all plane, fasten ana main force elements of a glider. Bomber “hose - cone” is equipped by a system of refuelling in an air of a type. The receiving bar(boom) fueltank receiver in a non-working position is cleaned(removed) in a nose of a fuselage before a cabin of the pilots. The crew Tu-160 places in two two-place cabins equipped with the seats K-36DM. The power plant consists of 4-th DTRDF of a construction of Kuznetsov OKB, placed in two gonolas under fixed parts of a wing and have adjustable air intakes with a vertical wedge. Into structure BREO enter the complex including an astronavigational system, inertial navigational system, PrNK, radar, intended for detection of the ground and marine targets at a long distance, optical-electronic bomber sight, active and passive inproved systems REF is shock - navigational. In a tail cone the containers with IR by traps and dipole reflectors are placed. In an extreme back part of a fuselage is located thermal locator, discovering coming nearer with an aft hemisphere missiles and planes of the enemy. The total number of digital processors which are being available onboard a plane, exceeds 100. The job of the navigation officer is completed by 8 digital COMPUTERS. The crew cabins are equipped with electromechanical indicators and indicators on ELT. Each from the pilots has on one information indicator on ELT. The job of the navigation officer is equipped with several indicators on ELT both with round, and with rectangular screens. The plane is equipped with an analog electroremote control system. For the first time in a jet airstructure for management of the serial heavy machine the handle of interceptor type, instead of steering wheel is applied. For improving conditions of a habitability for want of intercontinental flights bomber is equipped with a sleeping place, toilet, by elctronic cabinet for warming up of food. Structurally Tu-160 is close American strategic bomber A-1, but in difference from him(it) all combat load bears on the internal suspension, that considerably reduces EPR of a plane. The plane is equipped with threebased chassis with twin bottles on sprockets. Main racks threebase, forward rack monoaxial. Tu-160 can be used not only as usual bomber, but also as a peculiar first stage for a conclusion in space satellites. In this case under a fuselage the special winged rocket “Burlak” is suspended. This combination allows to start to polar orbits of height 500-700 kms the companions by a mass of 300-500 kgs with the minimum costs. Heavy multimode, multiple objective strategic bomber Tu-160 on a unanimous evaluation of the experts is by the most high-power strategic aviation complex in the world.


    TU-22M Backfire
    Active: 162
    Inventory:
    AF/AD: Tu-22M "Backfire", 117, 93 in reserve
    Navy: Tu-22M "Backfire", 45

    Navy 45


    TU-22M 162






    [crossreferences: Index of Russian Aircraft | Bombers ]


    Base Location Cmd D/F
    200 bbr rgt Engels 326 bbr div AF
    Tu-22M3. 2006: to be disbanded
    840 bbr rgt Soltsy (Novgorod) 22 af div AF
    Tu-22M3. 06.2006 two ac took part in "Shield of Union" joint Russian-Belorussian exercises.
    43 tpt center Ryazan 37 AF Army (Strategic) AF
    8 Tu-22M, 6 Tu-95MS
    444 bbr rgt Vozdvizhenka 326 bbr div AF
    Tu-22M3. 6.12.2003: comd trainings incl spetznaz trainings. 2006: to be disbanded
    52 bbr rgt Shaikovka 22 af div AF
    Tu-22M3
    33 centr bbr rgt Ostrov (Pskov) Naval Aviation NAVY
    3 Tu-22M3, 4 Su-24M, Tu-142MK, Il-38, Il-18, An-26
    924 indep nav av recce rgt Olenegorsk Naval Aviation NOR

    540 pers., 20 Tu-22M
    568 indep rgt Kamenny Ruchei Naval Aviation PAC

    2 sqdn Tu-22M3, 2 sqdn Tu-142M3, Tu-142MR


    W. (tons): 125
    Speed (km/h): 2'450
    Dimensions (m): 23,3/32,3 x 42,5 x 11,1
    Alt. (m): 15'000
    Range (km): 7'000
    M./Engine: 2 DTRD-NK25, 2 x 25'000 kgs
    Man./Crew: 4
    Armament: 3 AS X-22; 6 AS X-15 , 23 mm DP GSh-23M , bombs KAB500/1500 incl. nucl. 23tons
    ________________________________________
    [crossreferences: armament ]
    • AS-16 Kickback SRAM/ Kh-15/C
    • Air bombs
    • AS-15* / Kh-65
    • SS-N-27 Club / P-900 Alfa
    • AS-4A/B/* Kitchen / Kh-22/M
    ________________________________________
    In 1969 the pilot - tester V. Borovoy piloted first newest supersonic bomber, created by Tupolev's ANTK. In 1976 new bomber Tu-22M, was accepted in service in SovietAF.
    Modifications:
    Tu-22M2, changed air intakes and installation in a tail part two twinbarrel guns GSh-25.
    Tu-22M3 was equipped with new air intakes based on air intakes of the plane Mig-25, new onboard electronic equipment and changed defensive arms (twinbarrel gun GSh-23M with the vertical block of trunks and enlarged rate of fire up to 4000 rds).

    Tu-22M3 is intended for a defeat of the ground and marine targets by supersonic missiles /airbombs in the day and night in any meteorological conditions. For these purposes the plane is equipped with the high-power onboard electronic equipment including high-power radar, ensuring detection of the ground and marine targets, optical-electronic bombardement sight OPB-15, inertial navigational system, active and passive systems RLS.

    The communication: two UHF radio stations R-832M, SW radio station R-846 and coding equipment. combat load: bombs and missiles (5000 kgs of bombs inside and 1 X-22 on the outside hardpoint), or in variant fully missilecarring or bomber.
    Engines: high-power TRDDF. In a dorsal fin the auxiliary power plant TA-6, ensuring start TRAA and power supply BREO irrespective of air field sources is placed. The plane is equipped with a system of saving crew KT-1.

    The ejection can be both forced for any member of crew. Tu-22M3 have the good take-off and landing and accelerating performances. The chassis threebased, with twin bottles. The main chassis - threeax, nose - monoaxial.


    TU-95/MS Bear Strategic bomber

    Active: 70
    Inventory:
    Strategic: Tu-95 M/K "Bear-B/G", 63
    AF: Tu-95 MS16 "Bear H", 7, test aircraft

    TU-95/ 70






    [crossreferences: Index of Russian Aircraft | Bombers ]


    Base Location Cmd D/F
    326 bbr div Ukrainka 37 AF Army (Strategic) AF
    42 Tu-95MS- "jump airbases"- Anadyr', Tiksi , Srednyy island , Magadan
    43 tpt center Ryazan 37 AF Army (Strategic) AF
    8 Tu-22M, 6 Tu-95MS
    184 bbr rgt Engels 22 af div AF
    22 Tu-95MS. 06.2006 two ac took part in "Shield of Union" joint Russian-Belorussian exercises.
    79 bbr rgt Ukrainka 326 bbr div AF
    Tu-95MS


    W., kg empty 86,000kg; maximum take-off 339.947 lb (154,200kg)
    Speed Max speed at 25,000ft 925km/h (500kt), at sea level 650km/h (350kt), cruising speed 710km/h (385kt)
    Dimensions (m): 49,1 x 50,1 x 13,3
    Alt. (m): 12'500
    Range (km): 12'500
    Armament: Six Kh-55 (AS-1 5A 'Kent') cruise missiles on a rotary launcher in the bomb bay
    2xGSh-23 gun, internal stowage for up to 15000 kg
    M./Engine: Four 11,035kW (14,795ehp) KKBM Kuznetsov NK-1 2MV turboprops, driving eight blade counter rotating propellers
    ________________________________________
    [crossreferences: armament ]
    • AS-15 Kent ALSM/ SS-N-21 Sampson / Kh-55
    • Air bombs
    • Aircraft gun armament
    • AS-15* / Kh-65
    • AS-4A/B/* Kitchen / Kh-22/M
    ________________________________________
    In the beginning of 50-th years in Tupolev's OKB the work on creation strategic bomber with intercontinental distance of flight have begun. In 1952 the first flight of the new plane which has received the label Tu-95 was held.

    In 1956 Tu-95 was accepted in service. By a feature of the new machine was the application of a wing and main, for the first time in practice of world aircraft construction for planes of such class, installation of turbofan drives. The new drives NK-12M were created in Kuznetsov OKB. TVD two coaxial screws in the opposite parties were supplied by differential reduction gearboxes, gyratings. The propellant consumption of new drives made only 0.207 kgs (h.p. h).

    Resource(safe life) new TVD. Has appeared in 10 times more, than at any other modern drive used on bombers, including foreign. Tu-95 represents jet with four TVD, located in wings. The chassis of a plane(airplane) threebased, with twin bottles. Main racks - biaxial, covering in flight in wings (that is 'famly' by feature of majority of Tupolev's machines), the nose rack - monoaxial, closed on “stream” in a fuselage. From below in the middle of fuselage the doors large place. In the first updatings Tu-95 “air - ground”, one of X-22, suspended under centreplane in half-dive condition, and two rockets KSR-5 on pylons under a wing was equipped by 3 rockets. In variant bomber Tu-95 could bear inside up to 20 t of bombs. In a nose Tu-95 the bar(boom) fueltank is placed nonclosed.

    In reply to reequipment by the Americans strategic bombers ?-52 by winged rockets ALCM, in USSR in 1981 the new updating bomber - Tu-95MS is accepted in service. Tu-95MS is intended for a defeat by winged rockets of the important stationary objects in the day and night in any meteorological conditions and in any point of globe. In difference from Tu-95 the upgraded machine has a new wing with a more high-speed structure.

    The new stabilizer is installed, now it can automatically, depending on a modification of a centre-of-gravity position connected to development(manufacture) combustible, to change an angle of installation. Onboard avionics is replaced completely. Two onboard COMPUTERS are included in structure of the latter. The onboard means REF are upgraded. The main modifications concern shock arms. In bombs tank the drum-type launcher equipped with 6 with the winged rockets RKV-15B with distance of shooting 2500 kms is installed. The construction Tu-95MS was developed at the Samara airfactory.

    Tu-95 "Bear-A" strategic bombers; Tu-95 "Bear B" (maritime strike); Tu-95 "Bear-C" (maritime reconnaissance); Tu-95 "Bear-D" (maritime reconnaissance and missile support); Tu-95 "Bear-E" (maritime reconnaissance); Tu-142 "Bear-F" (anti-submarine warfare); Tu-95 "Bear-G" (maritime reconnaissance and strike); Tu-142 "Bear-H" (cruise-missile carrier with eight missiles); Tu-95 "Bear-J" (communications relay).

    The Cubes, Angola, Somalia and Vietnam based Tu-95, apart from USSR, on air bases. It enabled strategic staff of USSR effectively to inspect practically any point of globe. To the beginning of the 90-th years all of Tu-95 from foreign basises were introduced. Tu-126 was intended for detection of the air targets, beginning with average altitudes. Now Tu-95MS is a basis of air strategic forces of Russia.

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    8) Забавный ресурчик! Вселяет сдержанный оптимизм полная каша в их данных.. Только подумать.. Ил-102 у нас на вооружении.. и целых 28 Ми-28, не говоря уж о 9 Ка-60..
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    2 Холостяк:
    Пусть вражьи шпиёны сами выискивают подобную инфу в сети да на горбушке. Вам развлекуха да издевательство над ними, а им за это деньги плотють! :shock:
    А халявы, тем не менее, никто не обещал.

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    milstar, try to register again please
    Let's drink Guinness!

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    Цитата Сообщение от Kasatka
    milstar, try to register again please

    Dear Sir


    1. Author is registred and not used entry in system/but signatured each post with "milstar"/ for time saving .
    2. E-mail belov to adress of the author possible related to your
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    Zora wrote -
    2 Холостяк:
    Пусть вражьи шпиёны сами выискивают подобную инфу в сети да на горбушке. Вам развлекуха да издевательство над ними, а им за это деньги плотють!
    А халявы, тем не менее, никто не обещал.


    ... They have ,as exist agreement between USA and Russia .
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    1 если Вы можете читать на русском, то и пишите на русском - форум русскоязычный и только для иностранцев делаются исключения
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    Dear Sir

    You wrote -

    swjatoslaw gerus
    1 если Вы можете читать на русском, то и пишите на русском - форум русскоязычный и только для иностранцев делаются исключения
    2 не засоряйте форум рекламой - неужели это надо объяснять?


    Pay attention to text of the author .

    Worst english can be ,but have not problem's of understanding
    with multiple USA companies multiple 100 e-mail's exchange's

    Napoleon have made multiple error's in french



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    Ну почему сразу "дела" между Рашей и ЮсЭй !???
    Тут возле аэродромов замечены "любознательные" из разных стран, в том числе и карликовых.., типа горячих парней из Прибалтики... Сейчас еще и предки царицы Тамары нагрянут...
    А вот английский язык не в тему действительно. Я согласен с собеседником SSS... Если хотите общаться - учитесь писать на русском.
    Меня прикололо в заявлении одного военного из НАТО, сделанное после недавних совместных учений Россия-НАТО по перехвату условных ядерных ракет.. Типа то, что надо русским военным учить английский, чтобы совместно работать. Самое интересное, что по перехвату ракет в этом полушарии у американцев ничего нет и фактически своих союзников по НАТО они не в состоянии защитить. Поэтому Россия использует свой ресурс и оборудование и реально прикрывает Европу. Как говорится - "прицепом". Реальные угрозы допустим Корея и Иран, можно подключить Пакистан... Возник вопрос, почему бы уважаемым Господам не выучить РУССКИЙ. Кстати, учения проходили на территории России. Хотят совместно работать..., там более в их же интересах... Пусть УЧАТ...
    Слижком уж навязывают нам английский.
    Согласен, надо знать язык.., но как преподавали в военном училище - для допроса пленных... и перехвата информации...
    Хотите совместно работать пишите и говорите на - РУССКОМ.
    То что в США там обрабатывают кучи мейлов, то у нас свои Российские компании тож обрабатывают не меньше..
    А на то что Наполеон ошибался...Так он всю жизнь ошибался.. То когда войну заварил и бардак в своей родной Франции. Особенно когда на Россию попер... От его ошибок только и народ его загибался и еще другим народам неприятности принес. Лучше как в конце всей своей ошибки-жизни загибался бы на острове Альба в своей одной ошибке, чем других в нее птянуть.. Так что пример не подходящий.
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