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some more "food for thoughts", Adrian - and also the reason I say we can't take even claims "confirmed" by gun-camera pictures for sure.... - at least not without serious cross-examination of evidence available from the "other side".

This is the gun-camera picture shot by the then Major (later Brig-Gen) Johan Rankin, SAAF, when he hit a FAPA-DAA MiG-21MF "C40" with shells from two 30mm DEFA cannons (mind: these are some of the most reliable and effective weapons of that kind - and also the same weapons that represented the main armament of Mirage IIICJs and Mirage 5J/Neshers flown by the Israelis):



Rankin's claim, "scored" in an air combat near Cahama on 5 October 1982, was considered confirmed and he credited accordingly.

But, in reality, DAAFAR (Cuban Air Force) Tte Gilberto Ortiz Perez safely landed that MiG at Lubango AB - almost 200km away! The C40 was repaired and returned to service: it is known to have been flown by the pilots of the DAAFAR contingent in Angola in 1986 again, and as late as of spring 1988.

BTW, the other FAPA-DAA MiG-21MF engaged and hit (also by 30mm DEFA cannons) by Rankin during the same air battle, flown by Tte Raciel Marrero Rodriguez, also made a safe emergency landing at Lubango.

What happened?

It seems that a hit at one of MiG-21's internal fuel tanks caused this to "spit" its content out in a giant ball of flame. This is causing these spectacular fireballs, which on the gun-camera film (or video) look like a "certain kill". But - and exactly in the same fashion like in the case of dozens of Israeli "confrimed kills" - the film does not show what became of a MiG after that moment in time...

I can offer you a number of similar examples from the other side as well: in April 1986, a FAPA-DAA MiG-23ML flown by one of most experienced DAAFAR pilots in Angola intercepted a South African C-130 and fired two R-24R missiles. One missile missed; the other scored a direct hit at the left wing, right in between the two engines there. But, that missile failed to detonate: it went through the wing and out to the other side. The C-130 managed to land safely on one of forward airfields used by the SAAF in the then South-West Africa (now Namibia). Nevertheless, official Angolan and Russian sources "swear" the FAPA-DAA shot down one South African C-130....

...or an example directly related to 1991: the USAF pilots claimed 33 or so kills against Iraqis: official IrAF documentation shows a loss of 26 aircraft. Obviously, some 13 kills considered "confirmed" by the USAF and officially credited to its pilots are based on little more than "hot air". Particularly suspicious are most of the Sparrow-kills scored by night in the first days of the war, and particularly those when - supposedly - pairs of Iraqi interceptors were engaged: the Iraqis flew only single-ships by night...

A simple matter of fact is: just like the Israelis, the USAF is not cross-examining its "confirmed" claims in the aftermath of such wars with the evidence that becomes available from the other conflict party. That means that exaggerated claims by its pilots "remain" confirmed, even though not having any basis...
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Tom Cooper
Но это из хижи...,простите,форума Тома Купера,поэтому достоверность -сами понимаете