I have not supposed, that my post make such „noise”. It is difficult to answer to all post but I will me some comments mostly to Холостяк posts.

Yes I know this material written by Kotielnikow (it was edited in Russian in 199 and in the same time in Poland about IX 1999). It is the first text about this small air war. Very important, Second was done by A. Stiepanov (2000/2001) and the third one was mine (in 2003). Both Russian texts are in the net for a few years.

Я думаю речь идет о пограничной авиации? Вот ссылка по количеству самолетов НКВД, пограничников НКВД, ГВФ....

Yes I think about NKVD’s border air units. As on fall 1939, it had about 120 planes (mostly R-5 and U-2). There were 10 separate escadrilas/sguadrons, each 12 planes in the whole SU. Over Poland it was used a few zvienos, no any combat military operation, mostly sviazi flights.


В Архиве российских ВВС должна сохраниться информация о воздушном перехвате 1 октября 1939 года. Использовать в данном случае общие "воспоминания" авиаконструктора T. Sołtyk просто не корректно. Чтобы заявлять об атаке самолета Э.Перункевич-К.Радзивиллом или цензуре, надо иметь не голословные высказывания, а реальные документы
I can only say again. It was Soviet I-16s attack. T Sołtyk was in IX/X 1939 exactly a soldier of SGO Polesie and personally from the ground had observed this duel as a direct witness. Second he with other Poles had been strafed too by I-16s on the ground in this period (they had escapted into the forest not to be killed).
Third there are other memories - edited in Poland after 1989 - which again confirming that Soviet aviation had attacked Poles also from SGO Polesie. The fourth: there are Soviet reports made from Soviet 41. AE, when are clear written about air attack done on Polish ground units of SGO Polesie: strafing and bombing on the beginning of X 1939. They are given exact amount of used ammunition and bombs. I do not have reports from Soviet fighter regiments about this duel, I think it could be “4. IAP”?.

BTW. On 1 X was done Soviet air attack on Polish “airfield” the bomb had damaged 2 RWD-8 from Piorunewicz unit, planes were put unserviceable. There are no any information about any air activity done by Luftwaffe units over SGO Polesie. On 30 IX for example the town Parczew (market place) was strafed by I-16s. Poles had claimed to shot down by machine gun one of attackers (it is rather over claiming?).


Вполне нормальное явление это как воздушная разведка, ну и само собой "потеря" ориентации... Особенно, когда летают учебные самолеты... То есть как я понял - идет война, у Польши множество самолетов, летчиков не хватает, надо учить все новых для пополнения и полеты учебных безоружных самолетов не прекращаются?
Интересно, часто ли советские самолеты залетали на территорию Польши ? По Вашей информации я понял, что польских на территории СССР в течении дней 13-16 IX оказалось аж пять...


There were no any deliberate reccon over Soviet before 17 IX 1939. Soviet agression was a big+ total surprise for Polish high command (Rydz-Śmigły ect). These 6 Polish planes were mostly from training school like 3 PZL.37 on 13 IX. Next 3 planes too (1 PZL.23 + 2 R-XIII). There were also 1 German bomber He 111, which severely damaged over Poland had landed before 17 IX in Russian. Later the crew had returned to the Germany being escorted to the border by Soviet fighters

Из них Военно-воздушные силы Красной армии потеряли - 5 человек. По Вашим данным - 11 человек из ВВС КА погибли.
I can only confirmed again. There are in my book the full list of 11 killed Russian over Poland (names + ranks + case of death). It has come from Soviet, not from Poles documents/sources.


IMHO российская позиция по этому поводу ПРОФЕССИОНАЛЬНО изложена в серьезной МОНОГРАФИИ Михаила Ивановича Мельтюхова "Советско-польские войны. Военно-политическое противостояние 1918—1939 гг."
I have problem with Mieltiuchov book (I have second, larger edition from 2004, not form 2001). Knowing quite well the history of “1939 War” as for me I have found too many errors concerning German-Poles and also Russian-Poles combats in this book. I know it is the first Russian book about this war, written by Russian and printed in Russia.
For me was strange for example, he had mentioned the figure of 6 lost by Soviet planes over Poland but for example did not show source of his information (why exactly put 6 but not "12,5" or "18,3"?).

So I can only agree with below sentence about Mieltiuchov book (editon 2001, 2004)

Считаю, что в этом действительно больше политики, "моды" и выгоды, чем исторической достоверности и объективности.
Above Russian sentence perfectly fit - for me - to my opinion about Mieltiuchov's book. It is not objective researched and written. Pity.

Regards,
Mirek Wawrzynski