Thanks for the last 2 post, nice „discussion”. I do not understand your stubbornness toward the clarification of meaning aggression. If I right understand you strong believe that in 17 IX 1939 Red Army did not make any act of aggression but it was peaceful operation to restore freedom and security for massacred, abused by Poles (1919-1939) millions of Ukrainian and Byelorussian peasants. OK you may belive in this, it is your opinion.


- Куда бы послал мой родственник с Украины, который участвовал в освобождении своих родных проживающих в Западной Украине от польской оккупации, того, кто обозвал бы его "агрессором"?
For me it is “funny” attitude. But if was so bad for all of them in Poland “terrible occupation, plenty shopt and mordered etc.” what did you Russain do better, improved for both nations in the same period?
Graves near Minsk in the forest (place names is Kuroparty, as you do not know, during the pruges fire squads NKVD had killed about 300.000 or more Byelorussian, mostly more educated then other population). Second in Rusian Ukraine – was Holodomor – the great famine for Ukrainian peasants 1932-34 where about 3.000.000 to 6.000.000 Ukrainian people were deliberately killed by Russian/Stalin system – such Russian collectivization. There were many cases of cannibalism in Ukraine in this period.

Yes Poland occupation for both nations 1919-39 “was real terrible” in comparisons with modest Russian policy of making peace, freedom and happiness for those people living under “Red Star +Stalin”. Russian of course did better for them. Poles were real animals/monsters! Russian were real humbles and honest peoples toward them.

You may do not know too, that during pruges Stalin/Russain had killed about 3.000 (three tausend) members of KPP (Communsit Party of Poland). Russian pruges (1937-1939) survived only those communists, who were just then imprisoned in Polish prisons. Again it was this terrible and horrible Poland, so nasty country and nation for other Slavic nations.

BTW I have forgotten to add that during great purges 1937-38 among about 680.000 shot by NKVD fires squads were about 113.000 Poles or Poles origin or related to Polish nation more or less (about 70% from this figure was in fact Poles). In this purge in the first wave of killed were also ex-Russian POW, who had returned from Polish camps after the war 1919-1921.

Thera are total lack about this isse (“Polish plot” or “POW case”) in Mieltichov book. Strange but it is true. Among represionaled were also many Poles did serving in Red Army too.

История второй мировой войны. Т. 3. С. 31; Россия и СССР в войнах XX века. Потери вооруженных сил: Статистическое исследование. М., 2001. С.184, 187; Лебедева Н.С. Указ. соч. С. 34, 37—38; Das Deutsche Reich und der Zweite Weltkrieg. Bd.2. S. 133; Bd.5/1. S. 635; Hahn F. Waffen und Geheimwaffen des deutschen Heeres. Koblenz. 1987. Bd.2. S. 196; РГВА. Ф. 35084. Оп. 1. Д. 24. Л. 105—106; Д. 25. Л. 44—45; Д. 188. Л. 307—308; Д. 192. Л. 91—92, 148; Ф. 9. Оп. 36. Д. 3358. Л. 120; Молотое В.М. Указ. соч. С. 9; по мнению Цыгана, количество трофейных самолетов, захваченных Красной Армией, включает не только военные, но и гражданские, учебные и спортивные самолеты, см.: Cygan W.K. Kresy w ogniu: Wojna polsko-sowiecka 1939. S. 144.
I know this citation well ( I have a book and check it too) and can say again it does not explain this particular 6 planes lost over Poland, as or me. Having other data, the Soviet material losses are higher (tanks, planes etc.).

BTW I also know the Molotov speech from 31 X 39 (I have full verion of it), as others documents.

А Вы сразу "встаете в свою польскую национальную позицию" в названии книги, показывая польскую безгрешность.
Sorry but I do not understand you? The title is as follow (below), main taxt is about Soviet aviation over Poland but not about Polish any sins toward Russian or toward Polish-Russian war 1919-1921. This is not religious works as “Holy Biblia” and also not about morality too!

Main title is: Czerwone gwiazdy – sojusznik czarnych krzyży nad Polską/ Read Stars = Black Cross’s Ally over Poland
Sub title is:
Lotnictwo sowieckie nad Kresami wrzesień - październik 1939/ Soviet Aviation over East Part of Poland IX/X 1919


Если Вы пишите объективное исследование и имеете претензии к подобным исследованиям в России, то и напишите действительно объективно, а не с национальным польским взглядом и обидой. Хотя, при нынешней ситуации в Польше, объективность (без прошлой обиды и обвинений всех кроме себя) не приветствуется и будет иметь проблемы. Поэтому и я тоже сожалею о Вашей объективности
Thanks for above comments. The book is as much as could be done with the distance/ objective attitude. I do not write for example, that Russian had killed 60.000 Polish officers or more in 1940 but as is well know from NKVD sources about 22.000 (officers and civils). This is important because among killed in the spring 1940 there were at least 230 members of Polish Lotnictwo Wojskowe (in the Katyn, Charkov, Miednoje). Next about 60 Polish aviators had been missing in Russian 1939-41. The personal losses of cadres our aviation was almost similar (300 killed 1939-1941) as were in war against Germany in September, October 1939.

May you do not read but in Mieltiuchov book, he had written that Poles killed/ make death of “60.000” Russian POW in 1919-1921 (see second edition his book: 2004, p. 614). This figure does not have any real confirmation in any kind of documents and true. In fact in this period had died form many cases (mostly illness, lack of medicine, lack of food) 16-18.000 Russian POW. These pople were not deliberately killed, by any kind of state order as did Russain against Poles in 1937-38 and in 1940 too or even in 1941 (mass killing of prisoners improsined on the East in VI-VII 1941).


Просто хочу объяснить свою категоричность относительно своего отношения к слову "АГРЕССИЯ". В частности в использования его в подобном "историческом исследовании".
If you take the Mieltiuchov book (from 2004) and look at the pages 599-600. According him, he gives simple answers about this. It his opinion it was aggression (taking form law or legal point of view). And it was for me too. It was kind of undeclared war. Both sides many times did not thrown to enemy peaceful poems or “flowers, apples and potatoes” but shot to kill the enemy.
I think you are such man who loved W.I. Lenin ideology. One of his sentence was such: “If the fact are against us, it is much worse for the fact”. You believe in this doctrine. Any thing, which is not according your vision, opinion, habits could not exist even, the simple no easy for Russian true.

Of course you are right Polish Army is military force in Iraq, which conduct war action (aggression) against Iraq as USA does. The same did Russian in 1953 in Berlin; next in 1956 in Hungary; next in 1968 in Czechoslovakia (with the support or Polish soldiers – it was an act of aggression) or next in 1979 in Afghanistan too. Over North Korea did fight a few 1000s Russian advisers (pilots and others) against ONZ forces.

So I propose to end our nice discussion, it was very pleasure to talk with you.

Regards,
M. Wawrzyński